JRiverWiki talk:Community Portal
What is the purpose of this "community portal" section?
It's the right place for what I suggested the talk section of the main page for, of course!!! Thanks Marko... Gateley 09:49, 22 January 2007 (CST)
John, thinking ahead to a time when these pages are full with various discussions,
I take it we use a heading to start a discussion, and then subsequently, use the "add comment" (+) link to contribute to each topic being discussed? marko 10:55, 22 January 2007 (CST)
Wrong!! We use the "add comment" link to begin a new topic for discussion. Clever, huh? :) marko 11:34, 22 January 2007 (CST)
John, I browsed through the pages added from the help files, and, obviously, they relate to v11.1 Is the general idea here to bring those pages up to speed as far as v12 is concerned? marko 10:55, 22 January 2007 (CST)
Ideally, the content would primarily be for MC 12, and have notes/links that cover the differences for MC 11.1 and previous versions. But covering MC12 is the most important task. Gateley 11:57, 22 January 2007 (CST)
this is a test comment..
need to see what happens!! :P
I see now, it places your discusion in an editable section. neat. marko 11:31, 22 January 2007 (CST)
Pretty cool! Gateley 11:57, 22 January 2007 (CST)
Hi Jeff, the perbcast project is in limbo at the moment, and until things get clearer, I'd rather not have in on the wiki. It's not publically available at the moment. Gateley 19:19, 17 February 2007 (CST)
Structure of the Wiki
Did Matt and Jim have any specific reasons why they thought the wiki wasn't structured well enough? Or have any recommendations? The problem with MC is that there is so much functionality and unfortunately that makes it very difficult to understand initially and try to create a manual for it. For example, I talked my brother into buying it. He has a BS in Computer Science and has been in the computer field for 21 years. He got MC installed and had to send me an email and say, "what now?" There is just so much there and it is not really intuitive for the new user to get going. I gave him tips on what to do to start but if there wasn't a manual for someone to turn to, I don't know how anybody could figure it out unless of course they started bombarding the forum. Maybe manuals are useless written by the software companies and that is why there is a big market for the Dummy or Idiot books. If you know the program too well, it probably makes it difficult to explain to someone how it works.
As far as any recommendations on how to structure the wiki, I thought the initial purpose was because it was difficult to keep the online help updated and for a way to add additional content easily. Whenever I have a question on a program, the first thing I do is go search in the help. Ideally it's when I'm on a dialog and I can simply press F1 to get that information. If the online help doesn't work, it's off to a forum to try and get the answer. So if the online help isn't going to be kept up to date, the structure of the wiki should then probably look like an online help file with the initial online help as a start?
Regarding the last forum post with tips, there is a header on the home page that says "Tips, tricks, and extra content". It would belong either in a real "Tips and Tricks" item under there or perhaps split up each of the tips and tricks and put them in their specific locations within the wiki. Jeff 12:07, 26 February 2007 (CST)
I don't have specific reasons, though I can sort of agree with them. I know where everything is, but most people don't. I had hoped that the front page organization (Getting Started, Manual, Tips and Tricks, Developers was good:
- An easy "get it up and running" guide
- The complete manual
- Advanced techniques
- For those who want to add functionality.
This targets 4 separate audiences. But is this confusing?
The wiki will replace the help soon (both on-line and as a downloadable package for those without constant internet connections). It is impossible to keep the help up to date. The wiki is an attempt to do a better job, and so far is succeeding.
Maybe a less cluttered front page, that just points to individual pages for the 4 sections above?
Any other thoughts? Gateley 14:15, 26 February 2007 (CST)
Personally I like the look of a cluttered page then I can see everything. :-) In some instances that is true. For example, if you look at the current MC online help, it's a long list of items where each one branches off in a tree. Being able to look at a tree item, expand it (or next page in the wiki) to see more items, makes it a little easier to find things. The one thing that the wiki doesn't have which I think it really needs is some type of breadcrumb feature. That is don't get me stuck on a page where I don't have some options to go somewhere, like up the tree, down the tree, etc. The other key thing is the search and I can't stand that MediaWiki doesn't do normal searches like "two words" where the phrase is searched. Search is critical to find things.
Anyway, that's pretty much all the ideas I have right now. Perhaps it's time to ask in the beta forum since I'm sure there aren't many that are reading this? Jeff 15:50, 26 February 2007 (CST)
Snom300 is nice. Yes, the little graphics are nice too. What I like are the multiple navigation links in the left, sort of like the breadcrumb idea where you don't get stuck. So many times I'm deep into the wiki and I want to go back to the Manual page but I have to go to the Main Page and then click the Manual. Basically a lot that's on the main page should be in the navigation links. Jeff 11:47, 28 February 2007 (CST)
Okay, I got the Manual page on the sidebar, what else? Good idea too.... Gateley 12:41, 28 February 2007 (CST)
Sorry, didn't see this until now. That Manual link helps. It sounds like the best thing to do is find a structure of a wiki out there that Matt and Jim like and then start turning MC's into that. Jeff 07:30, 6 March 2007 (CST)
Tips and tricks
beside the user manual and some other manuals i think a good tips and tricks department could be an essential feature. not only for the advanced users. because in the tips and tricks part people can get ideas for what s possible to accomplish and make a solution that fit their needs. a lot of people take that what software presents them for granted, and they dont realise what they can change. essential is that the tips and tricks is something you can browse through, just for fun, or because you are bored, and maybe find a piece of info you never thought of. and it should be organized in a way you can find it back later fairly easy without trying to type in the right search terms. i just made a small contribution to the wiki, i know were it is, but when i start on the main page i still dont know how to find it. and more importantly, i can not find the contributions others made and what subject they cover. i guess a rudimentary tree that starts on the main page could help. or, if its already there somewere, it should stand underneath tips and tricks.
just some thoughts. (this wiki stuff is funny. i wonder were and how this post will get on the discussion page.)--Gappie 16:58, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I agree - the tips and tricks is essential. If you have any ideas, post them here or try them out.
Your contribution is hard to find starting from the manual, but it's easy to find if you go to the Frequently Asked Questions. Click on the Main Page, then on Frequently Asked Questions, and there it is.
Gateley 17:01, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
yes, thank john. im not worrying about my contribution, but about contributions others made and i dont know about but might be interested in. it is also not meant as critique. more as a proposition about what could be different and would help the accesebility of the wiki. just a thought after trying to find my way in the wiki, i took my time while i knew that there was other stuff, still could not find it. how about people that dont know that there is more info in there. they wont give it a second look. ll give it some more thought about what could be done. thanks --Gappie 17:18, 8 May 2007 (CDT)